In this group of fb http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?ref=profile&id=529060188 # / group.php? Gid = 208515119978 & ref = mf broke the case for opening up a Halal slaughter of Coop Rome.
Everyone is invited to review the info and send an email of civil protest.
From: "Monica Casalini [mail]
To: @ silvia.mastagni ancc.coop.it
Subject: Request for information
Date: 24/02/2010 12:37 Hello Ms
Silvia.
As you will understand, I am writing because of the news on the method of Halal ritual slaughter.
I read a few emails that have been facing these days, but I have a bit different arguments, and as you can imagine, I hope to not get the usual canned reply.
are forced to make a little example, I'm sorry if the mail will be a little 'long.
I read the stunning quote made by an electrical device. However I would remind you that this proce implies two things: 1
- that we ignore completely the "feel" of the animal. Well you are not there with an array of electrodes connected to the brain, much less been inside of her head. I would remind you that animals feel and suffer like us, so it is equally conceivable that in some cases perceive the external world and the pain just like when a man falls into a coma but still aware of everything ... Which according to many studies is by no means rare.
2 - that the animal suffers, however, a very long death, absolutely free of injuries and, regardless of whether the hearing or not, in any case unnecessary cruelty imposed on a living being to please a section of the population too entrenched to old religious precepts, totally unnecessary, disrespectful of life and especially outdated.
In the beginning I said that your initiative might have attracted you to the kind of customers, away from those butchers who however does not apply stunning estimate. But to be realistic we know well that this is pure utopia as the purists will never accept this kind of compromise.
When you have acquired this policy only made things worse: if you beat that first there was no way for the introduction of this practice and tried to reduce the intake of meat in the markets, now is even worse. You have opened the door to a practice that was not there before in Italy and that therefore it could still be curbed. Now, with the soft policy of "veniamoci meeting" this is no longer possible. You have quietly accepted the naturalization of a barbaric and ruthless silly just to win a slice of that market first - damn it - you had not noticed.
In short, nothing new: it all comes down to the usual marketing reasons.
Before we could say "Italy has so many flaws, but at least we do not do this to our animals." I've never been a fervent patriot, but I do not care if they eat dogs in Korea or on TV explain how to cook cats. Here in Italy I pay taxes, respect laws, I have to submit to so many injustices ... but if something does not feel like I can still speak my mind and respect me.
And I think that when a religious tradition so much impact on the life of a living being becomes something to avoid as much as possible and not to share.
As a scholar of Italian traditions can bring hundreds of examples of religious festivals which over the centuries have evolved at the same pace of the increasing social awareness on the issue animals. If before we nailed to the cross, a dove, now he nailed a rubber puppet. Where before we put a goat at the stake, now using a straw puppet.
This is called civilization.
you rather have taken a step back.
I read the answer that his colleague had given to a girl in the facebook group:
"I must also say that we are committed to always seek, with the help of experts, techniques that do not cause suffering to animals, also for the slaughter "Italian".
which translated means: not only we not care about the growing vegetarian population remained attached the old stereotype of the "flesh = health" (promoted by the lobby and endorsed by corrupt doctors) rather than proposing new vegan products, but increased in the meat trade also incorporating a slice of the market before we had foolishly ignored.
Once again the pretext of religion as a shield to do much more land interests at the expense of one who holds us to certain things and it cost you for a lifetime.
I feel offended by your attitude, I feel offended as Italian woman, as a writer and scholar who sees erode what little social progress under customs arrears and cruel, as customers made fun of by those who always says so "sensitive" to a consumer awareness and natural against GM and kept in battery cages.
You know perfectly well that the mass boycott of here is a short step, and this prose I quote a team member who said, "The Coop is you, certainly not me."
Pending reasonable and convincing explanation, possibly without mentioning me the Lav and company because I had read their press release, I extend cordial greetings.
Monica Casalini
______________________________________________________________ From: "Gabriella Masciago" [@ gabriella.masciaga coopitalia.coop.it]
To: "Monica Casalini"
Cc: @ silvia.mastagni ancc.coop.it
Subject: Meat halal
Date 02/24/2010 14:45
dear lady monica,
are the same person who wrote the response that you quote. I would ask, please, leave me exegesis. is not true that this choice is designed to encourage the consumption of meat and conquer new market shares! I
, hoping not to be too boring, pick up some points: the Islamic slaughter without prior stunning is allowed in our country (certainly not us as we open the doors), as well as farming practices are allowed that are not exactly in line with the concept of animal welfare. This means that you do not nail more doves, but somewhere there are those who slaughter animals with this procedure and in full legality. coop, rather than lack of interest, he worked to find the consensus of Islamic communities to accept a practice "more civilized", not retreating from its principles in the name of the market. and look a bit ', to me (animal rights and vegetarian) it seems that if you retrieve this way all the "ritual slaughter" would have taken a step forward. and, again, a step forward, perhaps it could take another ... it seemed consistent with a choice made for many years to introduce rules to better respect for the animals: a reduction of high stocking rates, elimination of cages, food rules, rules for transportation, and even elimination of the products (and components thereof) experienced animal removal from the sale of any natural fur, etc.. Certainly, one can argue at length on the advisability of exaggerated consumption of meat in the Western world, from which flows the horrors of factory farming, speculation, etc.. it is not, for that matter, to make choices that belong to the individual conscience.
try to introduce improvements, suggestions and advice. and we also care for the millions of vegetarian and vegan consumers: our sets designed for them are growing and we gladly accept requests for further integration.
dear monica, having been on a few years back I remember that until a few years ago our farmers slaying pigs (Without prior stunning) in farmyards. a normal practice time and that she, a scholar should be familiar since it is part of the history and folklore in italics. We have made progress. because we exclude that others fail? cordially
gabriella Masciago
direction communication coop Italy
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From: "Monica Casalini [mail]
To: @ gabriella.masciaga coopitalia.coop.it
Subject: Re: halal meat
Date: 24/02 / 2010 16:38
Gabriella Hello and thanks for the swift response.
I've read everything carefully and even though I also vegan and animal rights do not agree with some points, but I omit.
The focus is only one: the Islamic culture is truly Halal meat sacrificed when the animal is conscious.
So the question is very simple: to produce or not produce Halal Meat Halal meat? The
reproduce below the Conditions of Halal Slaughter, being careful to point 4:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macellazione # Condizioni_di_uccisione
(for sources please visit the Islamic code "Sunna" )
Why was insulting us in the first case, the second insult the Islamic faith.
addition, the certification by the imam, however, goes beyond personal decision of the aforementioned purists who never buy your product. Just like I do not buy products made from soy are not sure if that is not GMO soybeans. And certainly not a simple label change my mind (since 99.5% of world production is derived from GM soy, we are just lucky to walk into a store and find just the 5% soy bio everywhere .. .)
back to us. I read that "the products are certified by the imams and the signs are in both Italian and Arabic. For the first few weeks there will be orders of Arab origin, complete with a veil, to follow the customers."
Beautiful. But I'm sure - and with me hundreds of thousands of other people - that there are other methods that do not involve integration involving animals. In Italy it is already time for integration, much more than in other countries, but the animals must always come to petitions, protests and boycotts. So I think that this initiative could be avoided safely and no one would be offended. As she says: there are already many slaughterhouses in which we practice the Halal slaughter. And you think what we are fighting against?
As I noted in the previous letter 'we do not care "legal or illegal methods practiced in Italy: I do not want to kill an animal just because it is always an act uncivil, then steps forward, objectively, there are none at all. Finally
reply to this statement: "I remember that until a few years ago our farmers slaying pigs (without prior stunning) in farmyards."
Exactly. Years ago. In my email I emphasized the social evolution of our country as a key achievement towards a more ethical life. His clarification only confirms what many think it is time for a change:)
Waiting for your reply, I extend cordial greetings.
Monica Casalini
______________________________________________________________ From: "Gabriella Masciago" [@ gabriella.masciaga coopitalia.coop.it]
To: "Monica Casalini"
Subject: Rif: Re: halal meat
Date: 24/02 / 2010 17:08
dear monica, because
maintain a bias? because they think that there can, even by Muslims, be changes?
us if we have changed, maybe they can change them too. I hope it. for many things, of course, not only for the topic on which we are discussing. I think there are conditions indispensable for us, the basis of any possible discourse of integration and acceptance: the respect of human rights (especially women), freedom of thought, religion, expression, to name a few. compliance with certain standards of animal welfare has become one of those conditions. 90% of Italians eat meat, there are still farms (where, I assure you, the animals suffer), just travel to see us pass by on the highway truck packed with animals being transported in a state of lager ... before slaughter. this list of horrors is to say that we are the first (without going to the Muslims) have great, long way to go. coop is doing its part, but I've already said and I do not want to repeat myself. on a purely personal, I hope of course that the Western dietary pattern changes dramatically. also the planet if you wish.
soon
gabriella
______________________________________________________________ From: "Monica Casalini [mail]
To: @ gabriella.masciaga coopitalia.coop.it
Cc: silvia.mastagni @ ancc.coop.it
Subject Re: Rif: Re: halal meat
Date: 24/02/2010 17:27
you so he can do his job as a PR, but did not answer my question .
Produce real or not Halal meat according to the precepts Sunna?
Monica Casalini
______________________________________________________________ From: "Gabriella Masciago" [@ gabriella.masciaga coopitalia.coop.it]
To: Monica Casalini
Subject: Rif: Re: Rif: Re: halal meat
Date: 24 / 02/2010 17:41
produce halal meat with stunning estimate.
after
gabriella
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Have you noticed the extreme embarrassment and scratches on the mirrors?
Obviously I do not stop here. Meanwhile, ask for more information and then will post it on many sites and forums.
was certain that if you do not give a clear answer I will be glad to copy and paste all the text in an email addressed to:
LAV
ENPA
Consumer Associations section. Rome
Strich the news
Reservoir Dogs
And write it here because I know they monitor this group.
News to Come;)